Poor old Britain Forward – having to rely on “sources” such as David Michael.
Actually, in reality, this is Britain Forward’s ONLY quoted source, so even in that regard it is unusual, as all Britain Forward specialises in anonymous allegations.
In any event, some responses to David Michael’s rant are in order:
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“Nick Griffin has launched an attack on me in his 'Britain Backwards' blog.”
The Truth: David Michael does himself no favours here but reinforces his reputation for paranoia by stating that Nick Griffin wrote the section David Hannam, and is in fact the author of this blog. Sorry, Nick Griffin is far too busy to bother with a handful of Internet cranks. In typical fashion, Michael only sees the enemy he wants to.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“You will recall that I resigned from the BNP some years ago after I was informed that a sum of Party money intended for leaflets had ended up in the telephone account of David Hannam. Nick Griffin failed to take action against Hannam, who is now BNP Deputy Treasurer. Nick has now decided to attack me for making this matter public".
The Truth: A comical presumption from the paranoid Michael again, he sees Griffin at every turn, in every corner and everywhere.
His paranoia also seems to affect his memory. David Michael resigned because due to his claustrophobia, as he refused to travel to the Annual College in 2001, and threw a massive tantrum when he resigned.
What really irked David Michael was that David Hannam opposed Michael's decision to purchase 50,000 leaflets with party money to be distributed around the city of Hull. Hannam saw that this move was well ahead of the small struggling Hull group and when he said that Hull should concentrate on targeting specific wards, Michael was not happy.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“First, Nick claims that I am an 'unstable individual'. Rebuttal 1. If this is the case, why did Nick, who has known me since 1979, appoint me as organizer for Yorkshire and Humberside BNP after David Hannam suddenly resigned due to his first bout of 'personal problems'? The thrust of Britain Forward's original allegation seemed to be that Griffin surrounds himself with odd people. If I am indeed 'unstable' then the fact that Griffin appointed me to office would seem to confirm Britain Forward's case!”
The Truth: This does not really need a reply, as it speaks for itself. It is however an interesting object lesson in absurd logic.
1. If, according to Britain First, “Griffin surrounds himself with odd people” – which Michael now says is the case (see above); then
2. Michael is strange, by his own admission.
3. By the same reckoning, he claims David Hannam is a crook, but by association Michael too is a crook. Crime by association! Michael's crazy logic to the fore again.
His presumption that Nick Griffin must personally propose every single member of the BNP before allowing them in, is almost beyond the last shreds of Michael's remaining sanity.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
"Rebuttal 2. My record speaks for itself. I have been running a successful business in this country since 1995 and before that in South Africa since 1991. I make a profit. I have no criminal record whatsoever. I am a happily married father. I have never been involved in any scandals. I am not being treated for any mental illness. I do not smoke and I drink very little. I have written a series of articles for Sharon Ebanks' New Nationalist Party, one of which deconstructs the Griffinite position on Israel. I invite your readers to take a look at it (it's here) and consider whether it is the work of an unstable individual or simply someone who happens to disagree with Nick."
The answer is clearly the former, i.e unstable. Anyone who has had even a brief read of Michael’s resignation letter will have seen this: it ended with the words:
"Death to America!
Death to the New World Order!”
This provides a fair grasp of Michael's state of mind.
Hull members can also vouch for the manic verbal attacks from David Michael about his paranoia that anyone was laughing at him for having a Polish wife. Nobody was, but in Michael’s head they could have been!
Troy Southgate - David Michael's Former Ally Who Discovered the Truth
Troy Southgate initially accepted Michael into the cause of 'National Anarchism’ after the latter’s farcical exit from the BNP.
However, Troy Southgate himself could only stand so much of David Michael. Here is what Troy had to say about Michael when he expelled Michael:
By Troy Southgate:
The point is - and I've just read David's reply - we are simply not prepared to work with somebody who uses such abusive and patronising language towards people who share many of the same opinions.
Just look at the language he used in his most recent message, about being 'a good boy' (as though he really is occupying the moral high ground, rather than accepting that he's the very individual who initiated all this nonsense in the first place). As for the fact that he tried toexplain away this behaviour by suggesting that it was nothing more than a bad-tempered blip, that's a blatant lie. It went on far longer than one night and on more than one occasion.
And FNF did not lie, either. David called him a liar after he misinterpreted some of the comments made on David's website.
There is a vast difference between calculated deceit and simple misinterpretation. I've been involved in this game for eighteen years and have never seen anybody turn on his own kind in such a childish and unprovoked manner. Unless, of course, they are really out to create division and discord.
FNF was a fervent supporter of David's work and went out of his way to help David on many occasions. In return, David called him a 'liar' and stated explicitly that FNF was 'no comrade' of his. If this is an example of David's willingness to create an 'alliance formation' then God help us.
It's hardly surprising that FNF took him out of the webring either. Furthermore, we are not prepared to accept David's 'olive branch' so he can wipe that plastic smile off his face and shove it up his own arse for all I care. It may as well be a poisoned chalice.
And do people really believe that Michael Lujan was launching an 'attack' on David's website simply by purchasing a domain under the name of National-Anarchism? A name, remember, that we were using before anybody had even heard of David Michael.
I think David's extensive list of N-A domains speaks for itself. He is a very frightened and determined man.
Furthermore, whilst I have no evidence that David has deliberately set out to disrupt National-Anarchism, his actions resemble those of an agent-provocateur and I am banning him from this list before he causes any more trouble.
In my opinion, and that of countless others in this forum, this action is well overdue. I don't like having to do this, but his presence is having a detrimental effect and I won't risk that for anyone.
Now to deal with the ideological nature of David's 'national-anarchism'.
As many people are aware, I absolutely detest the kind of dogmatism espoused by Marxists, Trotskyists and their pseudo-anarchist bedfellows. So therefore it is not my intention to debate the precise nature of Anarchism that should be applied in National-Anarchist communities at all, but to point out the simple fact that David's seven points (all of which I happen to agree with) do not even mention Anarchism.
In other words, what makes David's 'national-anarchism' Anarchist in the first place? The answer is simple. Nothing. Contrary to what David says, it's not about 'true socialism' or 'true anarchism', it's about the absence of Anarchism altogether.
David has not evolved towards Anarchist ideas in the way that the NRF was influenced by Richard Hunt and Alternative Green, he simply fell out with his former pals in the BNP and then began calling himself a 'National-Anarchist'.
He's simply trying a different tactic.
The fact that he now admits to being 'closely involved' with the WNP - which openly supports the police and the Establishment and which many people believe is a State operation to disrupt the equally reactionary BNP - also speaks for itself.
Finally, David's remarks about us creating 'significant additional requirements' for National-Anarchism are also incorrect. There are thousands of anarchistic variants out there, but the fact that National-Anarchism came about was due to the racial separaist stance of its adherents.
We have no problem with other forms of anarchism or other decentralists, we just want to stress that National-Anarchism is an essential racialist phenomenon.
That's what makes it different. Anarchism sui generis, perhaps, but Anarchism all the same.
Regards,
TROY.”
As Troy Southgate found it, David Michael was, and still is, an extremely disturbed individual, who, if he is not mad, is astonishingly good at pretending to be.
It wasn’t long before David Michael started acting the same old crazy way as he did with the BNP, and his association with National Anarchism was just as uproarious as his relationship with the BNP ever was.
It seems that David Michael’s exits from different causes have more to do with his attitude than his beliefs!
A wonderful “source” for Britain Forward to use. First class material, very stable and reliable, ah yes.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“Second, Nick claims that I 'descended into a deep depression and resigned in a mad rage when the BNP had its Annual College in 2001 because [I] did not want to travel.'
Rebuttal: Unfortunately for Nick, my letter of resignation has been circulating on the Internet for years.”
Again, Michael ignores the facts for fear something may challenge his world. As has already been explained, David Hannam was in contact with the then Treasurer John Brayshaw who confirmed no money had gone missing at all. It is a fact that Michael does not seem to appreciate.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“Documentation exists to prove every word that I have said about Hannam. I have been reluctant to make it public because I detest the British press even more than I dislike Griffin. However, I want to give Griffin a clear warning. I want an end to the lies on this issue. If I don't get an end to the lies, I go to the press with the proof. Right before the next elections. Simple as that”.
And we are back to square one. Michael threatening all with more attacks by going to the press with fictitious evidence. Maybe Troy Southgate’s analysis of him being an agent provocateur wasn’t so far from the truth?
You decide.
Actually, in reality, this is Britain Forward’s ONLY quoted source, so even in that regard it is unusual, as all Britain Forward specialises in anonymous allegations.
In any event, some responses to David Michael’s rant are in order:
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“Nick Griffin has launched an attack on me in his 'Britain Backwards' blog.”
The Truth: David Michael does himself no favours here but reinforces his reputation for paranoia by stating that Nick Griffin wrote the section David Hannam, and is in fact the author of this blog. Sorry, Nick Griffin is far too busy to bother with a handful of Internet cranks. In typical fashion, Michael only sees the enemy he wants to.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“You will recall that I resigned from the BNP some years ago after I was informed that a sum of Party money intended for leaflets had ended up in the telephone account of David Hannam. Nick Griffin failed to take action against Hannam, who is now BNP Deputy Treasurer. Nick has now decided to attack me for making this matter public".
The Truth: A comical presumption from the paranoid Michael again, he sees Griffin at every turn, in every corner and everywhere.
His paranoia also seems to affect his memory. David Michael resigned because due to his claustrophobia, as he refused to travel to the Annual College in 2001, and threw a massive tantrum when he resigned.
What really irked David Michael was that David Hannam opposed Michael's decision to purchase 50,000 leaflets with party money to be distributed around the city of Hull. Hannam saw that this move was well ahead of the small struggling Hull group and when he said that Hull should concentrate on targeting specific wards, Michael was not happy.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“First, Nick claims that I am an 'unstable individual'. Rebuttal 1. If this is the case, why did Nick, who has known me since 1979, appoint me as organizer for Yorkshire and Humberside BNP after David Hannam suddenly resigned due to his first bout of 'personal problems'? The thrust of Britain Forward's original allegation seemed to be that Griffin surrounds himself with odd people. If I am indeed 'unstable' then the fact that Griffin appointed me to office would seem to confirm Britain Forward's case!”
The Truth: This does not really need a reply, as it speaks for itself. It is however an interesting object lesson in absurd logic.
1. If, according to Britain First, “Griffin surrounds himself with odd people” – which Michael now says is the case (see above); then
2. Michael is strange, by his own admission.
3. By the same reckoning, he claims David Hannam is a crook, but by association Michael too is a crook. Crime by association! Michael's crazy logic to the fore again.
His presumption that Nick Griffin must personally propose every single member of the BNP before allowing them in, is almost beyond the last shreds of Michael's remaining sanity.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
"Rebuttal 2. My record speaks for itself. I have been running a successful business in this country since 1995 and before that in South Africa since 1991. I make a profit. I have no criminal record whatsoever. I am a happily married father. I have never been involved in any scandals. I am not being treated for any mental illness. I do not smoke and I drink very little. I have written a series of articles for Sharon Ebanks' New Nationalist Party, one of which deconstructs the Griffinite position on Israel. I invite your readers to take a look at it (it's here) and consider whether it is the work of an unstable individual or simply someone who happens to disagree with Nick."
The answer is clearly the former, i.e unstable. Anyone who has had even a brief read of Michael’s resignation letter will have seen this: it ended with the words:
"Death to America!
Death to the New World Order!”
This provides a fair grasp of Michael's state of mind.
Hull members can also vouch for the manic verbal attacks from David Michael about his paranoia that anyone was laughing at him for having a Polish wife. Nobody was, but in Michael’s head they could have been!
Troy Southgate - David Michael's Former Ally Who Discovered the Truth
Troy Southgate initially accepted Michael into the cause of 'National Anarchism’ after the latter’s farcical exit from the BNP.
However, Troy Southgate himself could only stand so much of David Michael. Here is what Troy had to say about Michael when he expelled Michael:
By Troy Southgate:
The point is - and I've just read David's reply - we are simply not prepared to work with somebody who uses such abusive and patronising language towards people who share many of the same opinions.
Just look at the language he used in his most recent message, about being 'a good boy' (as though he really is occupying the moral high ground, rather than accepting that he's the very individual who initiated all this nonsense in the first place). As for the fact that he tried toexplain away this behaviour by suggesting that it was nothing more than a bad-tempered blip, that's a blatant lie. It went on far longer than one night and on more than one occasion.
And FNF did not lie, either. David called him a liar after he misinterpreted some of the comments made on David's website.
There is a vast difference between calculated deceit and simple misinterpretation. I've been involved in this game for eighteen years and have never seen anybody turn on his own kind in such a childish and unprovoked manner. Unless, of course, they are really out to create division and discord.
FNF was a fervent supporter of David's work and went out of his way to help David on many occasions. In return, David called him a 'liar' and stated explicitly that FNF was 'no comrade' of his. If this is an example of David's willingness to create an 'alliance formation' then God help us.
It's hardly surprising that FNF took him out of the webring either. Furthermore, we are not prepared to accept David's 'olive branch' so he can wipe that plastic smile off his face and shove it up his own arse for all I care. It may as well be a poisoned chalice.
And do people really believe that Michael Lujan was launching an 'attack' on David's website simply by purchasing a domain under the name of National-Anarchism? A name, remember, that we were using before anybody had even heard of David Michael.
I think David's extensive list of N-A domains speaks for itself. He is a very frightened and determined man.
Furthermore, whilst I have no evidence that David has deliberately set out to disrupt National-Anarchism, his actions resemble those of an agent-provocateur and I am banning him from this list before he causes any more trouble.
In my opinion, and that of countless others in this forum, this action is well overdue. I don't like having to do this, but his presence is having a detrimental effect and I won't risk that for anyone.
Now to deal with the ideological nature of David's 'national-anarchism'.
As many people are aware, I absolutely detest the kind of dogmatism espoused by Marxists, Trotskyists and their pseudo-anarchist bedfellows. So therefore it is not my intention to debate the precise nature of Anarchism that should be applied in National-Anarchist communities at all, but to point out the simple fact that David's seven points (all of which I happen to agree with) do not even mention Anarchism.
In other words, what makes David's 'national-anarchism' Anarchist in the first place? The answer is simple. Nothing. Contrary to what David says, it's not about 'true socialism' or 'true anarchism', it's about the absence of Anarchism altogether.
David has not evolved towards Anarchist ideas in the way that the NRF was influenced by Richard Hunt and Alternative Green, he simply fell out with his former pals in the BNP and then began calling himself a 'National-Anarchist'.
He's simply trying a different tactic.
The fact that he now admits to being 'closely involved' with the WNP - which openly supports the police and the Establishment and which many people believe is a State operation to disrupt the equally reactionary BNP - also speaks for itself.
Finally, David's remarks about us creating 'significant additional requirements' for National-Anarchism are also incorrect. There are thousands of anarchistic variants out there, but the fact that National-Anarchism came about was due to the racial separaist stance of its adherents.
We have no problem with other forms of anarchism or other decentralists, we just want to stress that National-Anarchism is an essential racialist phenomenon.
That's what makes it different. Anarchism sui generis, perhaps, but Anarchism all the same.
Regards,
TROY.”
As Troy Southgate found it, David Michael was, and still is, an extremely disturbed individual, who, if he is not mad, is astonishingly good at pretending to be.
It wasn’t long before David Michael started acting the same old crazy way as he did with the BNP, and his association with National Anarchism was just as uproarious as his relationship with the BNP ever was.
It seems that David Michael’s exits from different causes have more to do with his attitude than his beliefs!
A wonderful “source” for Britain Forward to use. First class material, very stable and reliable, ah yes.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“Second, Nick claims that I 'descended into a deep depression and resigned in a mad rage when the BNP had its Annual College in 2001 because [I] did not want to travel.'
Rebuttal: Unfortunately for Nick, my letter of resignation has been circulating on the Internet for years.”
Again, Michael ignores the facts for fear something may challenge his world. As has already been explained, David Hannam was in contact with the then Treasurer John Brayshaw who confirmed no money had gone missing at all. It is a fact that Michael does not seem to appreciate.
David Michael wrote on the Britain Forward blog:
“Documentation exists to prove every word that I have said about Hannam. I have been reluctant to make it public because I detest the British press even more than I dislike Griffin. However, I want to give Griffin a clear warning. I want an end to the lies on this issue. If I don't get an end to the lies, I go to the press with the proof. Right before the next elections. Simple as that”.
And we are back to square one. Michael threatening all with more attacks by going to the press with fictitious evidence. Maybe Troy Southgate’s analysis of him being an agent provocateur wasn’t so far from the truth?
You decide.
1 comment:
I think Mr. Southgate's analysis of David Michael's being an agent provocateur is spot on.
Michael's is a paranoid and delusional character at best. What ever happened to his plan to move to a far off island in some remote non-European part of the world anyhow? He is a 'shape shifter' that goes from party to party until he is found out, exposed and then given the boot so he can do no ore damage then he has already done.
In truth, the only damage is done to himself by showing his arse for all the world to see.
Back from under the rock from whence thou came Michaels! BE GONE!
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